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  • Name John Joseph Barker  [4
    Born 22 Sep 1893  Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Gender Male 
    Registration Between 1 Oct 1893 and 31 Dec 1893  Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Birth Registration 
    • Volume 6d, Page 282
    Birth Registration for John Joseph BARKER (893)
    Birth Registration for John Joseph BARKER (893)
    Census 31 Mar 1901  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    England 
    1901: England Census for Birmingham, Warwickshire
    1901 England Census for Birmingham, Warwickshire
    RG13 Piece 2840 Folio 107 Page 26
    Occupation 31 Mar 1901  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    Scholar 
    Residence 31 Mar 1901  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    68 Lennox Street 
    Census 2 Apr 1911  Dover, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    England 
    1911: England Census for Dover, Kent
    1911 England Census for Dover, Kent
    RG14PN4617 RD65 SD2 ED28 SN9999
    Occupation 2 Apr 1911  Dover, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    Private, Transport Driver 
    Residence 2 Apr 1911  Dover, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment, Shaft Barracks, Western Heights 
    Registration Between 1 Jan 1965 and 31 Mar 1965  West Bromwich, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    Death Registration 
    • Volume 9b, Page 948
    Death Registration for John J. BARKER (893)
    Death Registration for John J. BARKER (893)
    Occupation Brick Layer / Cable Layer 
    Died 3 Mar 1965  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
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    Person ID I893  The Williams Family Tree
    Last Modified 16 Dec 2017 

    Father George Edwin Barker
              b. 21 Jul 1866, Tutbury, Staffordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 3 Apr 1943, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 76 years) 
    Mother Eliza Farley
              b. 17 Apr 1867, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 18 Dec 1945, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years) 
    Married 1 Aug 1887  St. Pauls Church, Lozells, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 9
    Registration Sep 1887  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4, 10
    Marriage 
    • Volume 6d, Page 187
    Family ID F229  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 22 Sep 1893 - Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsRegistration - Birth Registration - Between 1 Oct 1893 and 31 Dec 1893 - Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - England - 31 Mar 1901 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Scholar - 31 Mar 1901 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 68 Lennox Street - 31 Mar 1901 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - England - 2 Apr 1911 - Dover, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Private, Transport Driver - 2 Apr 1911 - Dover, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment, Shaft Barracks, Western Heights - 2 Apr 1911 - Dover, Kent, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsRegistration - Death Registration - Between 1 Jan 1965 and 31 Mar 1965 - West Bromwich, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 3 Mar 1965 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
    Seale Church, near Farnham (back)
    Seale Church, near Farnham (back)
    Seale Church, near Farnham. St. Laurence, Elstead Road, Seale, GU10 1HX.
    Postcard sent from Birmingham and then forwarded from Tidworth Barracks, Andover, 11.15AM, 14 Oct 1912 to No.11 Gower Street, Lozells, Birmingham.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidworth_Camp

    Pte J. Barker, G. Coy, Worcester Regiment, Lucknow, Tidworth
    Dear Jim, Just a P.C. hoping you arrived safe and that you are quite well as it leaves me at present. Jim. Sorry I did not have more time to talk to you but you could see I was busy. Hoping to hear from you by return of post. Jim when you write do not mention this P.C. as they don't know I have wrote it. Yours Sincerely Elsie. Write soon Jim xxx. My address Miss E. Sydenham, 36 New Summer Street, Birmingham.

    Elsie Sydenham was the daughter of William and Sarah Sydenham. The family were living at 36 New Summer Street for the 1911 census. It would appear that Elsie died a spinster in 1970. Perhaps Jim never came home? Or was he known by another name? At the time, 11 Gower Street was the home of George Edwin and Eliza Barker.

    It would appear that 'Jim' was John Joseph Barker (1893-1965). At least, I thought he died in 1965. Now I am not so sure. I have found John Barker in the 1911 Census where he is a Private, Transport Driver, in the 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment stationed in Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent. I need to find his service record to see whether he did make it home.
    Seale Church, near Farnham (front)
    Seale Church, near Farnham (front)
    Seale Church, near Farnham. St. Laurence, Elstead Road, Seale, GU10 1HX.
    Postcard sent from Birmingham and then forwarded from Tidworth Barracks, Andover, 11.15AM, 14 Oct 1912 to No.11 Gower Street, Lozells, Birmingham.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidworth_Camp

    Pte J. Barker, G. Coy, Worcester Regiment, Lucknow, Tidworth
    Dear Jim, Just a P.C. hoping you arrived safe and that you are quite well as it leaves me at present. Jim. Sorry I did not have more time to talk to you but you could see I was busy. Hoping to hear from you by return of post. Jim when you write do not mention this P.C. as they don't know I have wrote it. Yours Sincerely Elsie. Write soon Jim xxx. My address Miss E. Sydenham, 36 New Summer Street, Birmingham.

    Elsie Sydenham was the daughter of William and Sarah Sydenham. The family were living at 36 New Summer Street for the 1911 census. It would appear that Elsie died a spinster in 1970. Perhaps Jim never came home? Or was he known by another name? At the time, 11 Gower Street was the home of George Edwin and Eliza Barker.

    It would appear that 'Jim' was John Joseph Barker (1893-1965). At least, I thought he died in 1965. Now I am not so sure. I have found John Barker in the 1911 Census where he is a Private, Transport Driver, in the 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment stationed in Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent. I need to find his service record to see whether he did make it home.

    Census
    1901 England Census for Birmingham, Warwickshire
    1901 England Census for Birmingham, Warwickshire
    RG13 Piece 2840 Folio 107 Page 26

  • Notes 
    • From the 1901 England Census for Birmingham, Warwickshire (RG13 Piece 2840 Folio 107 Page 26) John J., 7, Scholar, was with his parents George E., 33, Tin Plate Worker, and Eliza, 33, at their home in 68 Lennox Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England. With him were his siblings Charles S., 11, Scholar, Esther, 9, Scholar, Philip H., 4, and Leah, 1. Everyone was recorded as having been born in Birmingham, Warwickshire.

      From the 1911 England Census for Dover, Kent (RG14PN4617 RD65 SD2 ED28 SN9999) John, 19, was a Private, Transport Driver, from Birmingham, Warwickshire, in 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment, Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent, England.

      During the First World War there were 8 soldiers of the Worcestershire Regiment that were shot by firing squad. On the 26th July 1915 five men of the 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment were executed on the ramparts of Ypres in what became the largest single execution by the British during the war. They were originally buried in the Ramparts Cemetery, they were later transferred to other cemeteries in the area. John Barker was NOT one of them.

      Whether John made it home or not I don't know. I do have a date of death for him as being 1965 but this could be wrong. Looking at the diary of events for the 3rd Battalion the likelihood of any of the men making it through the war was pretty slim!

      3rd Battalion
      04.08.1914 Stationed at Tidworth at the outbreak of war as part of the 7th Brigade of the 3rd Division.
      16.08.1914 Mobilised for war and landed at Rouen and were engaged in actions on the Western Front including;
      During 1914
      The Battle of Mons and the subsequent retreat, The Battle of Le Cateau, The Battle of the Marne, The Battle of the Aisne including participation in the Actions on the Aisne heights, The Battles of La Bassee and Messines 1914, First Battle of Ypres.
      During 1915
      Winter Operations 1914-15, The First Attack on Bellewaarde, The Actions of Hooge, The Second Attack on Bellewaarde.
      18.10.1915 The 7th Brigade transferred to the 25th Division and continued to be engaged in actions on the Western Front including;
      During 1916
      Defence of Vimy Ridge, The Battle of Albert, The Battle of Bazentin, The Battle of Pozieres, The Battle of the Ancre Heights.
      During 1917
      The Battle of Messines, The Battle of Pilkem.
      10.11.1917 Transferred to the 74th Brigade of the 25th Division.
      22.06.1918 Absorbed the 10th Battalion and transferred to the 57th Brigade of the 19th Division.
      During 1918
      The Battle of St Quentin, The Battle of Bapaume, The Battle of Messines, The Battle of Bailleul, The First Battle of Kemmel Ridge, The Battle of the Aisne, The Battle of the Selle, The Battle of the Sambre and the passage of the Grand Honelle.
      11.11.1918 Ended the war in France west of Bavai.

      However, John's name does not appear on any Roll of Honour for the Warwickshires, perhaps he joined another battalion? [4]

  • Sources 
    1. [S5417] 1911 England Census - Alive, (People who should be alive for the 1911 England and Wales Census) (Reliability: 3), 20 Jun 2010.

    2. [S6297] Temp Tag 9 II (Reliability: 3), 23 May 2011.

    3. [S9816] Alive for the 1939 Register, (accessed 24 Feb 2016). (Reliability: 3), 24 Feb 2016.
      People who should be alive for the 1939 Register

    4. [S3634] John Oliver Thomas.

    5. [S8515] England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915, FreeBMD, ((http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl)), accessed 15 Dec 2017), Birth Registration for John Joseph BARKER (893); Dec 1893; Aston, Warwickshire; Volume 6d, Page 282. (Reliability: 3), 15 Dec 2017.

    6. [S9295] 1901 England Census for Warwickshire, England. Warwickshire., ( Ancestry . http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7814 : n.d.), Birmingham, folio 107, page 26; digital images, \i Ancestry\i0  (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7814 : accessed 16 Dec 2017); citing PRO RG 13/2840 (Reliability: 3), 16 Dec 2017.
      1901 England Census data extracted from Ancestry Records 16/12/2017


      Information for George E. BARKER

      Age: 33
      Estimated birth year: abt 1868
      Relation to Head: Head
      Gender: Male
      Spouse: Eliza Barker
      Birth Place: Tutbury, Staffordshire, England
      Civil Parish: Birmingham
      Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
      County/Island: Warwickshire
      Country: England
      Registration district: Birmingham
      Sub-registration district: St George
      ED, institution, or vessel: 13
      Piece: 2840
      Folio: 107
      Page Number: 26
      Household schedule number: 160
      Household Members:
      George E BARKER: Age 33 (1868)
      Eliza BARKER: Age 33 (1868)
      Charles S BARKER: Age 11 (1890)
      Esther BARKER: Age 9 (1892)
      John J BARKER: Age 7 (1894)
      Philip H BARKER: Age 4 (1897)
      Leah BARKER: Age 1 (1900)
      RG13 Piece 2840 Folio 107 Page 26

    7. [S9140] 1911 England Census for Kent, England. Kent., (n.d.), 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment, Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent, England, John Barker; (accessed 15 Dec 2017); citing RG 78, RG 14 PN 4617, registration district (RD) 65, sub district (SD) 2, enumeration district (ED) 28, schedule number (SN) 9999 (Reliability: 3), 15 Dec 2017.
      1911 England Census data extracted from Ancestry Records 15/12/2017


      Information for John BARKER

      Age in 1911: 19
      Estimated birth year: abt 1892
      Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
      Civil Parish: Dover Castle Dover
      County/Island: Kent
      Country: England
      Street address: 3Rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment, Shaft Barracks, Western Heights, Dover
      Marital Status: Single
      Military Unit: 3rd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment
      Registration district: Dover
      Registration District Number: 65
      Sub-registration district: Dover
      ED, institution, or vessel: 27-31
      Piece: 4617
      Household Members:
      John George BENGE: Age 24 (1887)
      George James BROMAGE: Age 22 (1889)
      Alfred BOWERS: Age 21 (1890)
      Henry BARTON: Age 21 (1890)
      Eric BARNES: Age 20 (1891)
      Edward BOOTH: Age 19 (1892)
      Albert BESWICK: Age 21 (1890)
      Ernest BANNER: Age 20 (1891)
      William BINGHAM: Age 19 (1892)
      William BRETTELL: Age 24 (1887)
      George Henry BRYAN: Age 22 (1889)
      Lester BERESFORD: Age 21 (1890)
      Harry BARBER: Age 18 (1893)
      Albert BLOOMER: Age 20 (1891)
      Sidney BAGOT: Age 19 (1892)
      Walter BAYTON: Age 21 (1890)
      John BARKER: Age 19 (1892)
      Thomas BEDFORD: Age 18 (1893)
      Thomas BOWMAN: Age 16 (1895)
      Francis Henry BAILEY: Age 30 (1881)
      William BRYANT: Age 18 (1893)
      Bernard BIRD: Age 21 (1890)
      Charles BLICK: Age 19 (1892)
      William BATES: Age 18 (1893)
      William BIDDLE: Age 19 (1892)
      Ralph BEARD: Age 19 (1892)
      William BAILEY: Age 18 (1893)
      John Silas BANNER: Age 18 (1893)
      George BATES: Age 18 (1893)
      Albert BETTERIDGE: Age 18 (1893)
      Cecil Bernard BOURNE: Age 19 (1892)
      Oliver BARNES: Age 18 (1893)
      William BANKS: Age 18 (1893)
      Oliver CHIVERS: Age 24 (1887)
      Frederick Norton CABBERLEY: Age 24 (1887)
      Thomas COLLERAN: Age 28 (1883)
      John COLTON: Age 24 (1887)
      Charles COX: Age 21 (1890)
      Joseph COWNLEY: Age 24 (1887)
      George COATES: Age 25 (1886)
      George CLARK: Age 25 (1886)
      Jack COLEY: Age 25 (1886)
      William CLARK: Age 23 (1888)
      Herbert COOKE: Age 21 (1890)
      Thomas Edward CARWARDINO: Age 22 (1889)
      John Charles CAUSER: Age 22 (1889)
      George Henry CARTER: Age 23 (1888)
      Leonard Matthew CHILD: Age 22 (1889)
      Alfred CLARKE: Age 23 (1888)
      Thomas COOPER: Age 21 (1890)
      William CLIFT: Age 24 (1887)
      William James CARTER: Age 21 (1890)
      Jabez COPE: Age 22 (1889)
      John COLLEY: Age 21 (1890)
      Alfred Zebulum CLARKE: Age 18 (1893)
      Samuel COLEMAN: Age 21 (1890)
      Peter CAREY: Age 23 (1888)
      James CLEOBURY: Age 23 (1888)
      Thomas CADEN: Age 20 (1891)
      William CROSS: Age 20 (1891)
      John Edmund CLARKE: Age 26 (1885)
      Ernest CUBBERLEY: Age 20 (1891)
      Harry CALDER: Age 19 (1892)
      Edward CHAPMAN: Age 20 (1891)
      John William CRUMP: Age 19 (1892)
      Edward CARROLL: Age 19 (1892)
      Frank COOPER: Age 20 (1891)
      Thomas CARNEY: Age 21 (1890)
      Gregory CASEY: Age 19 (1892)
      George Henry COLLINS: Age 19 (1892)
      William CHAMBERLAIN: Age 18 (1893)
      William CARNEY: Age 15 (1896)
      Joseph CHANDLER: Age 20 (1891)
      Thomas CARR: Age 18 (1893)
      Arthur COOK: Age 19 (1892)
      William COOPER: Age 21 (1890)
      James COLEMAN: Age 20 (1891)
      Edward CARNALL: Age 19 (1892)
      Edwin CAINES: Age 19 (1892)
      Joseph CORBETT: Age 30 (1881)
      Daniel CRONIN: Age 39 (1872)
      Reynold COOK: Age 19 (1892)
      James COLLEY: Age 20 (1891)
      Edward CLAY: Age 28 (1883)
      George CLARKE: Age 19 (1892)
      John COX: Age 18 (1893)
      Albert COX: Age 21 (1890)
      Thomas COLES: Age 16 (1895)
      Sydney CARTER: Age 18 (1893)
      Alfred CARTER: Age 14 (1897)
      Ernest COOPER: Age 18 (1893)
      Arthur CUTTS: Age 23 (1888)
      Arthur Jesse DUTTON: Age 28 (1883)
      John DAVIS: Age 24 (1887)
      George DAVIS: Age 28 (1883)
      James Henry DYE: Age 24 (1887)
      George Samuel DYASON: Age 37 (1874)
      Charles DAVIES: Age 23 (1888)
      Charles DIXON: Age 23 (1888)
      John DUGMORE: Age 25 (1886)
      RG14PN4617 RD65 SD2 ED28 SN9999

    8. [S8529] England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007, ((http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7579&enc=1)), accessed 16 Dec 2017), Death Registration for John J. BARKER (893); Age at death 71 (1894); Mar 1965; West Bromwich, Staffordshire; Volume 9b, Page 948. (Reliability: 3), 16 Dec 2017.

    9. [S8490] Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937, ((http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=4994)), accessed 16 Dec 2014), Marriage for George Edwin BARKER and Eliza FARLEY; 1 Aug 1887; Birmingham, St. Paul, Warwickshire, England. (Reliability: 3), 16 Dec 2014.
      Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

      Information for George Edwin BARKER

      Gender: Male
      Birth Year: abt 1865
      Marriage Date: 1 Aug 1887
      Marriage Age: 22
      Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
      Spouse: Eliza Farley
      Spouse Gender: Female
      Spouse Marriage Age: 20
      Father: Charles Barker
      Spouse's Father: Edward Farley
      Reference Number: DRO 35
      Archive Roll: M161
      http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&MS_AdvCB=1&db=BirminghamParishMarriage&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&gss=angs-d&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=barker&gsln_x=XO&uidh=e72&mssns0=farley&mssns0_x=1&pcat=34&fh=0&h=4257308&recoff=11+34+46&ml_rpos=1

    10. [S1854] Registration of Marriages, (Ancestry.co.uk), Sep 1887, Birmingham, Volume 6d, Page 187; George Edwin BARKER + Eliza FARLEY (Reliability: 4), 12 Mar 2008.